tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post1165222344067185038..comments2023-10-28T17:24:41.752+05:00Comments on Cafe Pyala: The Clueless Mr HarrisonXYZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-16174070146605109552012-09-20T00:45:24.973+05:002012-09-20T00:45:24.973+05:00Well..I dunno much about Pakistan or the condition...Well..I dunno much about Pakistan or the condition in Gilgit-Baltistan. But I do know that there are Balti refugees living in temporary shelters in Ladakh, alleging discrimination, torture, repression etc. etc. in Pakistan. I know 'coz I met them...seems hard to disbelieve such folks, who leave all behind to live in flimsy shelters in a harsh environment...Well, anyways- my 2 paisa.Rahulhttp://maharajaofgaipajama.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-9762595583991537362010-09-06T10:03:29.228+05:002010-09-06T10:03:29.228+05:00"More than troops, Chinese projects in PoK wo..."More than troops, Chinese projects in PoK worry India":<br /><br />http://www.indianexpress.com/news/more-than-troops-chinese-projects-in-pok-worry-india/677450/0<br /><br />Let me add that similar "worries" may also be partly responsible for our lingering problems in Baluchistan.امر محبوبhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103508905632229407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-39047630199052001192010-09-03T11:21:19.440+05:002010-09-03T11:21:19.440+05:00here is another theory:flood relief&rebuilding...here is another theory:flood relief&rebuilding..<br /><br /><br />http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/09/india-misses-opportunity-for.html<br /><br /><br />INDIA MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTION IN GILGIT-BALTISTAN<br />B.RAMANJaydevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-49153053192025232992010-09-02T18:50:55.881+05:002010-09-02T18:50:55.881+05:00Earthquake 2005
Times Change.
Attabad Landslide ...<i><b>Earthquake 2005</b></i><br /><br />Times Change.<br /><br />Attabad Landslide 2010.<br /><br />Right on this website, one of the few <a href="http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/2010/05/giving-media-its-due.html" rel="nofollow">openly positive posts on the media</a> by Cafe Pyala is on Gilgit Baltistan. Whatever Pakistan can be accused of, it`s not 97% of what this serial hitman Selig says. The sad thing is that everything comes out in times of disasters.<br /><br /><br /><i>evidence</i><br /><br />Multiple television channels having their permanent correspondents posted in Gilgit Baltistan.<br /><br />A <a href="http://pamirtimes.net" rel="nofollow">volunteer online newspaper</a> (as a minor example) that happily runs critical pieces when it's called for.<br /><br />Apparently this e-paper is so popular <a href="http://pamirtimes.net/job-vacancies-new/" rel="nofollow">it posts job listings for Gilgit Baltistan like an online classifieds site</a>.<br /><br />Then there's academics who work on the region <a href="http://daveslandslideblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">like this one</a>.<br /><br />I am again repeating XYZ's reporting that newspapers have posted permanent correspondents to the region.<br /><br />Basically the crux of this argument is that Selig Harrison wants to make Gilgit Baltistan look like its freedom situation is similar to that of Tibet's. That is not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-2181525373531600862010-09-02T18:41:22.011+05:002010-09-02T18:41:22.011+05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-44649256663339355932010-09-02T18:37:56.390+05:002010-09-02T18:37:56.390+05:00Will respond to comments later but a quick note to...Will respond to comments later but a quick note to <b>@TLW</b> and <b>@Vindaloo</b>:<br /><br />Your comments have been deleted because of their irrelevance and vile abuse towards each other. Please try and keep your heads. Any further such comments will also be deleted.XYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-10049059275943256152010-09-02T17:51:39.189+05:002010-09-02T17:51:39.189+05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Vindaloonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-15432595312164214602010-09-02T14:03:32.710+05:002010-09-02T14:03:32.710+05:00Good analysis cafe pyala. BTW when are you going t...Good analysis cafe pyala. BTW when are you going to take on the NYT and WaPo for the type of crap they often print?امر محبوبhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103508905632229407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-14585722320709090382010-09-02T12:06:09.528+05:002010-09-02T12:06:09.528+05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-54131379185427915692010-09-02T11:37:24.548+05:002010-09-02T11:37:24.548+05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Vindaloonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-25644725791928216852010-09-02T11:04:46.512+05:002010-09-02T11:04:46.512+05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-43699669232441557892010-09-02T08:49:38.838+05:002010-09-02T08:49:38.838+05:00Curiously Mr Harrison's points on lack of poli...Curiously Mr Harrison's points on lack of political freedom and media access in POK find resonance in UNHRC reports and Baroness Emma Nicholson's report on 2005 earthquake.<br /><br />No amount of brain fart can hide that stink.Vindaloonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-6416030461774521882010-09-01T22:14:10.970+05:002010-09-01T22:14:10.970+05:00Just looked at the picture of Selig Harrison; unca...Just looked at the picture of Selig Harrison; uncanny resemblance with Alan Greenspan the previous FED chairman. Mr. Greenspan gave us the market bubble and took the world's financial system to the brink. Selig is going to keep its readers in the dark and feed so much shit to the Americans that they will all turn into mushrooms.Yusaf Khannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-37106853087936324032010-09-01T18:26:04.565+05:002010-09-01T18:26:04.565+05:00Tells you about the quality of NYT and the inexper...Tells you about the quality of NYT and the inexperienced, clueless editors manning their desks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-90249519153223177732010-09-01T18:23:57.196+05:002010-09-01T18:23:57.196+05:00Is the NYTimes dumb or what???Is the NYTimes dumb or what???ahmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-73192552426904701242010-09-01T17:58:13.329+05:002010-09-01T17:58:13.329+05:00Niraj & Anon 2:30
This old choot must have hi...Niraj & Anon 2:30<br /><br />This old choot must have hit some old Indian party line about Pakistan to bring so many Indians out of the woodwork, which at least indicates one thing: Selig Harrison is trying to learn about Pakistan by hanging around Indians. Not the most accurate way to find info.<br /><br />And the way these guys are salivating all over Pyala's comment section must mean that he's repeated some Indian talking point.<br /><br />And as for my prediction, I'm guessing some intelligence choot in Washington fed Harrison some info on Chinese work in GB and he's over-speculating. Tunnels in Gilgit Baltistan being used for missile storage? Fuck off Dr Strangelove.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-21595660146118210872010-09-01T17:07:09.154+05:002010-09-01T17:07:09.154+05:00ha ha cafe pyala ... in the days to come you will ...ha ha cafe pyala ... in the days to come you will be very very very busy as people all over the world will be clawing at paksitan and you will be busy trying to defend your loved pakistan<br /><br />i am feeling schadenfreudeNirajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-11514190897462178162010-09-01T15:32:53.888+05:002010-09-01T15:32:53.888+05:00Thank you so much for writing this post. I've ...Thank you so much for writing this post. I've been unable to get this idiot's op-ed out of my brain, which simply cannot be good for one's sanity, hopefully your post should help with the rehabilitation process.AKShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05133797883128888170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-38242282098502296982010-09-01T14:30:27.458+05:002010-09-01T14:30:27.458+05:00Pls wait till things are proven otherwise.
Wait b...Pls wait till things are proven otherwise. <br />Wait before even you are taken by surprise by concrete proof on the matter!!!<br />There are always instances of unbelievable and bitter truth but in the end, Truth is Victorious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-91663236018190292562010-09-01T12:15:54.817+05:002010-09-01T12:15:54.817+05:00Ahsan, I think the truth lies somewhere between yo...Ahsan, I think the truth lies somewhere between your assessment and Jaydev's. Where the Islamabad military establishment is concerned, lord knows what surprise is going to pop out. Like XYZ said, "People all over Pakistan desire democratic rights and regional autonomy." I think the people of Gilgit Baltistan at a constitutional level have reached their objective to some extent if what this <a href="http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/provinces/13+mehdi+shah+elected+unopposed+first+cm+of+gb-za-06" rel="nofollow">Dawn article quotes is correct</a>.<br /><br />Anyway, there does seem to be some hew and cry from leaders of small Gilgiti parties with no presence in parliament over the "Gilgit-Baltistan Empowerment and Self Governance Order", saying that it doesn't make a difference. But we know what the value of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Tehreek-e-Insaf" rel="nofollow">small parties</a> with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaat-e-Islami" rel="nofollow">barely a parliamentary presence</a> is, eh?<br /><br />Since even <a href="http://www.thenews.com.pk/31-08-2010/Top-Story/267.htm" rel="nofollow">The News</a> has popped up interest on this article (yes we know their half staffed by kooks), the only part where I would look for a kernel of truth would be this little assertion:<br /><br /><i>Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred.</i><br /><br />A kernel of truth surrounded by an oversize package of speculative BS is the usual NY-Times modus operandi, in fact that of much offensive reportage against Pakistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-69053498803011900812010-09-01T11:59:56.741+05:002010-09-01T11:59:56.741+05:00You are correct about Harrison being clueless.
...You are correct about Harrison being clueless. <br /><br />Aksai Chen is not a sliver of land. Its about three times the size of Azad Kashmir. It is also disputed entirely between India and China. Pakistan has nothing to do with it. The part area that Ayub Khan conceded to China in 1963 is the Shaksgam valley. You can read about it here<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Karakoram_TractJawadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-77036794715179660602010-09-01T11:27:42.654+05:002010-09-01T11:27:42.654+05:00Jaydev: There's no "episode" for inf...Jaydev: There's no "episode" for information to trickle from. There's absolutely no substance to this piece, it's all fluff. SH is some dude sitting in Maryland who hasn't visited the area in question in about 4 gazillion years. I don't know where he's getting his info from, but it ain't from the source, buddy.Ahsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662937883149553514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-63640487731440550812010-09-01T09:57:49.686+05:002010-09-01T09:57:49.686+05:00First off Pyala, love this sentence you wrote:
Pe...First off Pyala, love this sentence you wrote:<br /><br /><i>People all over Pakistan desire democratic rights and regional autonomy</i>.<br /><br />Ain't it the truth. Beyond this though, Selig Harrison's BS broke down for me when he wrote:<br /><br /><i>Democratic activists there want a legislature and other institutions</i><br /><br />I was wondering if he even heard off the GB elections.<br /><br />However, for sheer entertainment value, I liked this ominous sentence where he makes us poor, widdle Pakistanis out to look like victims of the Chinese:<br /><br /><b>Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred.</b><br /><br />8,000 to 11,000 PLA soldiers in Gilgit Baltistan, cordoning random areas of from Pakistanis. Wow, thriller material. I would like to know what grain of truth produced this shell of random BS.<br /><br />However I'll tell you where the BS about "nascent revolt" comes from. Back in 2005 I read a Newsline article (using the now-after-Swat cliched title "Paradise Lost") which was an interview of some guy who was part of something called the <b>Balawaristan Movement</b>, which I later realised was part of a party called the <b>Balawaristan National Front</b>. My first thought was, great another group of Pakistanis angry about their collective treatment and ready to take on an ethnic hue. Then my thoughts also turned that this might be some front organisation for Indian intelligence as well. With these ultra-small groups, it's hard to tell where real grievance ends and the hand of some establishment begins. But yeah, there is such a thing as a Balawaristan movement for the independence/autonomy of Gilgit-Baltistan/Balawaristan. I'm sure him and his family are doing well. I'm also glad they retained the GB name, as opposed to the more stupider sounding name of Balawaristan.<br /><br />As for this old joker Selig Harrison, he's a relic of the time when jet travel was expensive, so only journalists and government employed people could afford, or be bothered to regularly travel to the subcontinent from the West, and South Asia and its government and peoples were seen as nothing more than pawns for one side or another of the Cold War. The height of this may have been the Zia years. To get a taste of this differing treatment, just look at the way Charlie Wilson thought of Zia, and the way you or I or ordinary people thought of him.<br /><br />May Selig Harrison have trouble at the urinal, everyday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-30226635433596521762010-09-01T09:23:18.716+05:002010-09-01T09:23:18.716+05:00I have an intuition that you will regret writing t...I have an intuition that you will regret writing this piece..more information will trick out about this episode in days to come..<br />Pak hav absolutely no credibility at all.Remember Kargil,USAF drone bases inside Pak,Mumbai attacks(which Pak denied involvement indignantly etc)<br />Truth hurts doesnt it? :)Jaydevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-18132110509309620592010-09-01T05:00:34.687+05:002010-09-01T05:00:34.687+05:00Very good analysis cafe Pyala! I don't know ho...Very good analysis cafe Pyala! I don't know how such bullshit analysis can even make it to the NYT. This tells me that all these American newspapers like the NYT, Wash Post etc are bitches; they have to print the Pentagon/State department point of view in order to get their news from the war front. I guess being embedded with US forces is more akin to being in bed with and all on all fours.<br /><br />Whenever the US wants to put some pressure on Pakistan they get to publish some bullshit article in one those newspapers. Last time it was "someone" from the ISI who had said they had duped the CIA into arresting Baradar. They didn't give a name or any reference at all; I mean how the fuck do we know that some mofo from the ISI actually said that. Even if someone had said that its more of a slap in the face for the multi billion dollar CIA that it keeps on getting fucking duped by the ISI. <br /><br />Most of these Western news media are becoming irrelevant as they turn into prostitutes of vested interests. News is only presented with a spin so as to ingrain the message that the vested interest want to send. Impossible to trust anyone nowadays.Yusaf Khannoreply@blogger.com