tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post4299335764402219100..comments2023-10-28T17:24:41.752+05:00Comments on Cafe Pyala: Fatima's Faux UpXYZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-82366817993286742712010-09-19T03:42:24.992+05:002010-09-19T03:42:24.992+05:00common guys, would we be even having this discussi...common guys, would we be even having this discussion if she wasn't this good looking? i mean, come on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-19020592771115652892010-09-18T18:06:55.502+05:002010-09-18T18:06:55.502+05:00I concur with Anon 4:15's history of "lik...I concur with Anon 4:15's history of "liking" Fatima Bhutto. Used to like her, not so much anymore, probably because of the reasons he's pointed out.<br /><br />Related to that XYZ, could you point out the symbiotic relation that Tariq Ali and Fatima Bhutto seemed to have established? And why Tariq Ali focuses, nay obsesses on Zardari so much when that toothy bugger doesn't seem to have that much power to change anything? He only adds to the crescendo of PML-N (and points rightwards) bevy of voices that give the impression of attempting to destabilise the government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-47056742536138138752010-09-18T13:49:08.808+05:002010-09-18T13:49:08.808+05:00i thought she was joking too, until i realized oth...i thought she was joking too, until i realized otherwise.<br /><br />the talk video was nice. thanks!kona berwallanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-55975404944028679572010-09-18T04:15:16.496+05:002010-09-18T04:15:16.496+05:00Confession: I used to rather like Ms Bhutto's ...Confession: I used to rather like Ms Bhutto's writings until a few years ago. I remember her columns for The News and her series of articles on Lebanon for the same paper which were well written, sensitive and perceptive. <br />And then two terrible things happened which seemed to have unhinged her: Zardari's coming to power and her decision to go looking for fame and fortune in the West to hawk her book.<br />The combination of Zardariphobia and gora adulation seems to have had a hugely detrimental effect on her writing and her thinking, and brought out its latent streak of shallowness, brattishness and arrogance. Sad, really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-57653005371809327132010-09-18T02:56:03.166+05:002010-09-18T02:56:03.166+05:00@kurhi: Your comments have been removed because of...<b>@kurhi:</b> Your comments have been removed because of their totally unnecessary abusive nature. Please express yourself civilly and without going into crude personalized invective.<br /><br /><b>@Vishesh:</b> Please see my response to Shankar Bali above. Am open to correction (am no Sanskrit expert) but I did see a reference to the word 'samraj' in the Rig Veda.<br /><br /><b>@Anand:</b> Thanks. Was referring to the English use of the word 'balti' as in 'balti gosht'. Obviously meanings change over languages and time. Also am pretty sure the word 'kamra' comes from 'camera' in Latin that means chamber.XYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-9171744811797392442010-09-18T02:37:45.990+05:002010-09-18T02:37:45.990+05:00@George Fulton: 'Dacoit' may not be in use...<b>@George Fulton:</b> 'Dacoit' may not be in use in the West anymore, but it is part of the Oxford English Dictionary. Coined I think by the British colonialists from the Hindi 'dacait' obviously.<br /><br /><b>@Shan:</b>Haha, mebe George Fulton (if it indeed is THE man) is still obsessing over the cockroaches issue.<br /><br /><b>@Omar:</b> Sigh. Male hormones are SO accomodating.<br /><br /><b>@Hadi:</b> It is not a question of 'what she meant'. It is simply wrong. And so are you about 'our culture' and 'own language'. Unless you put a time limit on them, English words are as much a part of our language and culture as Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian or Turkish. As I pointed out (did you even read the post?) words enter 'our language' all the time and become 'our' words. See also Feorge's comment.<br /><br /><b>@Feorge:</b> Thank you for a very illuminating comment. Really. Much appreciated. Incidentally, Urdu too has a bunch of people out to protect it from 'corruption' but nobody pays any heed to them. It may be because they're idea of translation is so archaic (example: the official word for 'loudspeaker' -which everyone uses- is 'aala-e-takabbar-us-saut' or literally, 'tool to amplify voice'- now tell me, who in their right mind would choose the latter over the former?) that they have made themselves irrelevant.<br /><br /><b>@Anon1113:</b> NGOs I want to tackle in a separate post sometime. But yes, you have a point.<br /><br /><b>@Shankar Bali:</b> Samrat and Samraj are very closely related and I think you will find that in the Rig Veda, the original word for 'emperor' is 'samraj'.XYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-18858936326065552302010-09-18T02:13:01.424+05:002010-09-18T02:13:01.424+05:00@Mackers: Oh I'm sure she's aware of it ev...<b>@Mackers:</b> Oh I'm sure she's aware of it even if she pretends otherwise.<br /><br /><b>@Ahsan:</b> You got your wish. As <b>@guppy</b> pointed out, there is now a "correction" on the site. Unfortunately they've also changed the opening intro (taking out the Uncle Sam reference) without acknowledging that it's been reworked. Knew I should have got a screenshot!<br /><br />Incidentally, her new explanation is also wrong, as <b>Anon424</b> indicates. No one understands 'samraj' as 'raj of Uncle Sam' even colloquially even though in today's unipolar world obviously mostly imperialism IS associated with the US. American imperialism would be called 'amreeki samraj'.<br /><br /><b>@karachikhatmal</b>: You're welcome. It is a good talk! Personally, I found Shame too polemical and bitter as a novel, however, and one of his weaker books. But I read it a long time ago, may be I should go back and read it.<br /><br /><b>@Mahine:</b> You wrote: "She has done irreperable damage to Pakistan time and time again! How can we shut her down?"<br /><br />Really? Irreparable damage to Pakistan?? I mean I may have issues with some of what she says and I may wish she would give more consideration and nuance to some of her pronouncements, but I certainly don't believe for one minute that she is the cause of damage to Pakistan... let's lay that blame on people who have wielded and wield real power. So I'm sorry but 'shutting her down' is not on my agenda.<br /><br /><b>@Amber:</b> I think you missed the point entirely. You write: "...is that really worth slandering her over in public like this? All these blogs and people who have nothing better to do than b*itch about other people or anything of that nature is so sickening!"<br /><br />Slander is verbal, I think you mean libel. But how is anything I have written libelous? I have merely pointed out her mistake which even the website and she has acknowledged now. And if reading blogs is so sickening to you, why do you continue to trawl the net to read them?<br /><br />You also wrote: "Forgiveness and ignorance really needs to become a part of our life!"<br /><br />Haha. I'll accept forgiveness but ignorance? No way.XYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-3506179222050127682010-09-18T01:50:50.178+05:002010-09-18T01:50:50.178+05:00I think this should be obvious that SOBAS was writ...I think this should be obvious that SOBAS was written on the directions of the ISI. The degree of fact-distortion in that book cannot be accomplished without their asheerwaad.Omernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-69445501235368170542010-09-17T23:51:31.911+05:002010-09-17T23:51:31.911+05:00Just a tiny correction- If by "balti", y...Just a tiny correction- If by "balti", you mean "bucket" and not the sauce made of roasted ingredients, then the origin of the word is Portuguese, as are the words "saabun" (soap), "pau" (bread..as in pau-bhaji), "kamraa" (room), "igreja (ghar)" (church), and many more.Anandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-30475453112080873212010-09-17T21:24:05.693+05:002010-09-17T21:24:05.693+05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.kurhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-30416986634821117472010-09-17T17:30:06.708+05:002010-09-17T17:30:06.708+05:00Sam-raj (with an American accent); i actually quit...Sam-raj (with an American accent); i actually quite like it. Has a nice ring to it:) <br /><br />Sam. <br /><br />Sam-Sam raj. <br />Sam-raj.Tilsimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-85332795768774682532010-09-17T16:24:06.290+05:002010-09-17T16:24:06.290+05:00It's kinda hilarious how completely skewered s...It's kinda hilarious how completely skewered she's been getting on the website which published that interview. Not a single positive comment! But now that they've inserted the "editor's note" of a "clarification" from FB that "she meant to have said that this has become the common, colloquial meaning of the word"... I have to ask, where exactly has that become the "common" colloquial meaning???<br /><br />Keep digging baby, keep digging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-25460496940293163192010-09-17T15:41:58.891+05:002010-09-17T15:41:58.891+05:00At least this might break the pseudo self righteou...At least this might break the pseudo self righteous shell that she had on. She is afetr all human. Poor thing. What if she hasn't had enough exposure to the language. Let her dabble her way through it.<br />Let her be.Cut her some slack. She's hot. She can get away with it. Are we jealous? Not at all. Proud? Not quite either.<br />I'd prefer Aisam over her any given day. What if the dude stutters while speaking in public? At least he makes sense if not poise.hushedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16090901236060454440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-78091107309721786782010-09-17T13:54:28.651+05:002010-09-17T13:54:28.651+05:00I agree with your views, but wanted to point out a...I agree with your views, but wanted to point out a correction. There is no word as Samraj in Sanskrit - it's is either samraajya (which means empire) or samraat (which means the emperor)<br /><br />The point of the post stands nontheless. Association with Uncle Sam is ROFL materialVchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254048123120538928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-51046671180025205592010-09-17T12:53:06.214+05:002010-09-17T12:53:06.214+05:00Fear not. She has issued a clarification.
[EDITOR...Fear not. She has issued a clarification.<br /><br />[EDITOR’S NOTE: Please note that the literal meaning of the word Samraj is not Uncle Sam’s Raj. We have sought clarification from Ms. Bhutto on this issue. She has confirmed that she meant to have said that this has become the common, colloquial meaning of the word. We offer our thanks to our readers, who were quick to point out this inconsistency.]<br /><br />I was really curious to see if her Urdu diction could stand up to Bilawal Bhutto's immaculate delivery of 'roti kapda aur makaan'. The youtube clip I found, puts him ahead, but only just.guppynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-55439848147051153112010-09-17T11:43:21.745+05:002010-09-17T11:43:21.745+05:00Hey, I am in agreement with your article. I just h...Hey, I am in agreement with your article. I just had a little quibble with Samraj.<br /><br />You are right of its Sanskrit origins but its meaning is..<br /><br />Samrajya: Empire/Kingdom<br />Samrat: Emperor/King<br /><br />Of course Madam Bhutto's interpretation can only be called hillarious.. Samraj as Sam's Raj.. amzing LOLShankar Balihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15200061100043397784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-76792041015974102792010-09-17T10:21:01.721+05:002010-09-17T10:21:01.721+05:00While I have never had much time for FB and her ra...While I have never had much time for FB and her rantings and ravings, I also do have some sympathy for her. She is after all a smarter-than-average upper class Pakistani, with the same kinds of certainties, biases, philosophical outlook, conspiracy theories, and education (or lack of one) you will find for others from her strata in society. In her case she has used her name to leverage fame and fortune out of the kind of drawing-room babble we hear around us. Its probably more fitting to ignore her than to waste time in trying to engage with her ideas and thoughts seriously.IZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-4804101825800062632010-09-17T01:46:39.148+05:002010-09-17T01:46:39.148+05:00Meh! Fatime Bhutto has proved that she is related ...Meh! Fatime Bhutto has proved that she is related to Homer Simpson somehow. <br /><br />Is she enrolling in Mensa anytime soon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-30432386985364405602010-09-16T23:57:33.652+05:002010-09-16T23:57:33.652+05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.kurhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-59847133048305654892010-09-16T23:27:53.322+05:002010-09-16T23:27:53.322+05:00Wow. No, seriously. Wow.Wow. No, seriously. Wow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-40633302193965842592010-09-16T23:13:22.111+05:002010-09-16T23:13:22.111+05:00Very Good piece. I will also like to mention here ...Very Good piece. I will also like to mention here about Pakistanis belonging to upper and upper middle class and mostly working as NGO's establishment, they all are like Fatima Bhutto. They talk one theela wala, one rickshaw wala and start talking about the poor people of Pakistan with authority. They even write reports and send to foreign donors by talking to a small group of people of a certain class, community. Whereas their authority misrepresent Pakistan, but it also bought wrong results from donors for poor people.But, who cares when their family members, and friends are enjoying hefty salary as heads of differnt departments.<br />very good piece. MubarikbaadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-40866606478550193092010-09-16T20:29:44.691+05:002010-09-16T20:29:44.691+05:00This reminds me of My Big Fat Greek Wedding, when ...This reminds me of My Big Fat Greek Wedding, when the father has the inane desire to relate every word to Greek - except Fati Bhutto wants to relate everything to her own musings in her head.Kalsoomhttp://www.changinguppakistan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-65734876772111358242010-09-16T20:24:07.392+05:002010-09-16T20:24:07.392+05:00Haha!! Why, I'm not surprised. Bred and educat...Haha!! Why, I'm not surprised. Bred and educated amid goras, I'll expect her to know little more than nothing about local society, incidentally the very topic she chooses to comment on over and over again. No end to 'intellectual morons', is there? :D<br /><b>Interviewer:</b> Where do you see yourself five years from now?<br /><b>FB:</b> Exposing the myth of my father's murder(who happened to be Pakistan's greatest, most democratic and what-not patriot) in a series of programs with Pakistan's top scholar, Ali Azmat.<br />;)Salman Latifhttp://www.salmanlatif.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-20112657472080630222010-09-16T18:39:26.238+05:002010-09-16T18:39:26.238+05:00are we sure that she didn't mean it and was pu...are we sure that she didn't mean it and was purely satirical? If that isn't so then I'm just surprised over how ignorant she can be....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-44938220557944565742010-09-16T15:10:43.009+05:002010-09-16T15:10:43.009+05:00Good post, but Arabic does have a non-Western orig...Good post, but Arabic does have a non-Western origin word for radio, which is اذاعة<br /><br />Arabic also has words for computer and calculator and satellite (although, like radio they are not as widely used as the borrowed Western words).<br /><br />While Fatima is idiotic for suggesting that French or Arabic "automatically" update themselves, there is a notable difference between them and Urdu.<br /><br />Arabic as a language has an inbuilt system in which new words can be conjured up to deal with new subjects. The Arabic word for computer literally means "calculating thing". The Arabic word for blogger (which is widely used) literally means something like "note-writer".<br /><br />(While this capacity exists in the Arabic language, the updating doesn't happen "automatically", but is done by people eager to protect the language from "corruption").<br /><br />Urdu on the other hand does not seem to have this capacity as it was a creole language from the start, and therefore it has a long tradition of borrowing words, originally from Arabic and Persian, and now from English.<br /><br />All of the above has nothing to do with Fatima BhuttoFeorgehttp://Gultonnoreply@blogger.com