tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post7240886360150886585..comments2023-10-28T17:24:41.752+05:00Comments on Cafe Pyala: What the Hell Do Lawyers Really Want?XYZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-84220886467192691502010-10-08T16:08:49.151+05:002010-10-08T16:08:49.151+05:00you dissent to something that actually has substan...you dissent to something that actually has substance, not redundant assertions of the prevalent and hackneyed view about the lawyers' movement and the current crisis. I watched the first 3 parts and could not bear to watch the 4th, and if NS here represents your view, then I hope you at least find his condescinding attitude, chuckles, and pauses a wee bit annoying.<br /><br />NS talks about militancy as a cultural practice and entwined in the history of the lawyers' movement. This, without any reference to police violence, in this case and through 2007 and 2008, where lawyers faced daily violence, were burned to death in Tahir Plaza by miscreants in cahoots with the state, beaten with batons in rural areas, and arrested Violence in response to state violence can not be demonized and isolated as a particular "militant" tendency. I do not condone it, but that is hardly relevant.<br /><br />That they did not get their due trivializes the issue. Does NS base his opinion on interviews of dozens of rank and file lawyers who did not get rewarded with cash, high profile cases and judgeships, and are thus enacting their angst? Or this is this based on conjecture? It sounds like it is unsupported by evidence, and based entirely on perception.<br /><br />My view of the rank and file lawyers in 2007 movement was that they were, even if unarticulated for some, fighting against the hegemonic control of courts by the establishment. They were fighting against how this plays out at the lower courts and prevents them from making their bread and butter - because their living after all does depend on the efficient functioning of the courts without bribery or orders from above - and timely dispensation of cases.<br /><br />What was articulated at the surface lever by the R and F lawyers was a undying loyalty to the CJ, and an adherence to herirachy and Bar council orders of protest and boycott. <br /><br />Some lawyers may be corrupt and may have never held any ideals (whether principled court reform or loyalty to a figurehead) - but masses and masses of lawyers? To deny that they came together for an ideal, rather than narrow individualistic self interests does not make any sense. You can come out once, twice maybe thrice, but sustaining a protest for months upon months? I do not think corrupt people do that and with such passion.<br /><br />The true problem with the lawyers' movement was that the elitism and hierarchy of leadership within the movement was never checked by the rank and file lawyers. They did not articulate their demands in a manner that represents their rights as lawyers (and working class lawyers at that - some making as little as Rs, 10,000 a month) and their clients' rights as parties that need courts to address their grievances efficiently and judiciously. They did not push for court reform in any real manner - but stuck to a one point agenda - rule of law (Also known as restore the judiciary). What perhaps should have happened during that critical time was development of leadership within rank and file, and a clear articulation of pro people demands.<br /><br />But the leadership remained in the hands of the few who were (besides Kurd) elite lawyers, and did not, at the end of the struggle, betray their own narrow class interests.karachi feministhttp://lurkinginambush.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-64963196323663411342010-10-06T13:10:40.814+05:002010-10-06T13:10:40.814+05:00I totally agree with your assertions as I have bee...I totally agree with your assertions as I have been saying amongst my own people. It is also sad that a divergent point of view against the popular belief gives credence to the notion of conspiracies.<br />I feel that there are mafias in whatever field you see in Pakistan and off course, the malaise of the lawyers and the politics of judicial apointment is causing us to see nightmares.<br />People will hopefully see the truth in due course and I hope all the media evangelists are exposed for being complicit with these lawyers and judgesAIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14589500126938856435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-88068132497326305972010-10-06T11:13:09.432+05:002010-10-06T11:13:09.432+05:00Last but not the least:-
http://www.dawn.com/wps/...Last but not the least:-<br /><br />http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/14-us-report-says-pakistan-unwilling-to-pursue-militants-zj-03Prashantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-53078878092239407312010-10-06T11:08:59.277+05:002010-10-06T11:08:59.277+05:00Well I think a lot of actors are out to kill the p...Well I think a lot of actors are out to kill the present Govt and their efforts are really ON now:-<br />1><br />http://pakistanherald.com/Program/Point-Blank-With-Luqman-October-05-2010-Mubbashir-Luqman-5018 <br /><br />2><br />http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\10\06\story_6-10-2010_pg13_1<br /><br />3><br />http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/04/pakistan-zardari-the-military/<br /><br />4><br /><br />http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/30-Sep-2010/No-need-to-underestimate-Parliament-Chief-JusticePrashantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-45279760031683647362010-10-05T22:33:56.524+05:002010-10-05T22:33:56.524+05:00Our dissenting point of view on this?
No, dude, I ...Our dissenting point of view on this?<br />No, dude, I absolutely second you. The lawyers movement really was a fraud and anyone talking against it was kicked in the head.<br /><br />let 'em eat each another up, I say. They, like the electronic media of pakistan, are very much the reflection of a society gone mad.Magnumnoreply@blogger.com