tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post8612050003643100503..comments2023-10-28T17:24:41.752+05:00Comments on Cafe Pyala: Lessons from a SackingXYZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-65129015638436617282010-05-07T12:41:33.012+05:002010-05-07T12:41:33.012+05:00The former VoA reporter really misused his positio...The former VoA reporter really misused his position by blackmailing several sports federations and other organisations into doing what he wanted them to do. There is a very average player in the women's cricket team today, who happens to be his niece (younger sister's daughter). He also got his other niece a job with VoA. <br /> Coming back to the main topic of discussion here, sports journalism brings with it so many opportunities for exploiting the profession. Sadly, there are few honest members of the media covering sports today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-41527144586662976412010-05-03T02:10:08.515+05:002010-05-03T02:10:08.515+05:00@ Omar Quraishi---ignore
@ Umair J--you don't...@ Omar Quraishi---ignore<br /><br />@ Umair J--you don't have to believe me if you don't want to but as I said there are about 40 other witnesses to this. Why would I make this up? There are many very sound people teaching at lums and on the whole we are very fortunate to have the institution, but not everyone who gets a teaching position there is immune from flaws.know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-53811767282436435662010-05-03T01:41:57.372+05:002010-05-03T01:41:57.372+05:00forgive me for being a disbeliever but the odds of...forgive me for being a disbeliever but the odds of a LUMS prof. copy pasting from wikipedia on a public discussion list are quite low. Unless he was someone from the maths department (not to belittle them in anyway)Umair Javedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064852000088504669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-9682068795996874142010-05-02T22:02:09.426+05:002010-05-02T22:02:09.426+05:00hahahahahahahahahahaOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-58774386915259620282010-05-02T04:37:21.912+05:002010-05-02T04:37:21.912+05:00@Umair J---since I am not giving out my own name h...@Umair J---since I am not giving out my own name here I think it would be wrong of me to give his. But there were about 40 other people on that email list who witnessed this---including a couple of other lums prof's.know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-50267045182125613182010-05-02T02:06:44.111+05:002010-05-02T02:06:44.111+05:00@knowitall I need to know the name of the LUMS pro...@knowitall I need to know the name of the LUMS professor you caught plagiarizing.Umair Javedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064852000088504669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-76014437530868395112010-04-30T21:11:20.602+05:002010-04-30T21:11:20.602+05:00xyz -- wow -- this site is almost becoming like an...xyz -- wow -- this site is almost becoming like an elementary school -- btw while you're at it why not clean up some of the other comment boards as well -- also where were you when some not v charitable remarks were posted against abbas nasir on one of the boards -- if this is personal i wonder what those were <br /><br />know it all -- no one was flaunting anything -- you spoke of a q khan -- and i clarified that that wasnt the only instance -- that's all -- good for you what people say about your views on translationOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-55405012644417049742010-04-30T19:26:44.560+05:002010-04-30T19:26:44.560+05:00@know it all AND @Omar R Quraishi: Ok folks, let&#...@know it all AND @Omar R Quraishi: Ok folks, let's stop this personal battle now. Really.XYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120968316026139059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-39956894508721859972010-04-30T19:15:44.138+05:002010-04-30T19:15:44.138+05:00Omar Quraishi---now why exactly would my contribut...Omar Quraishi---now why exactly would my contributions be more valuable under my real name? What if you were my boss? Do you think I could be posting what I have posted?<br /><br />And incidentally, you like to flaunt your little pieces of knowledge like telling us about two 'big name' columnists who were black-listed but not go into any detail or address adequately any of the other issues under discussion. As you can see from the other thread on JC's piece, most people agree with my comment about the fact that not explicitly saying it is a translation is a deception---yet you had nothing to say about that but just pick on one little thing. Honestly, it makes you look stupid.know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-38217019374448678482010-04-30T17:13:05.847+05:002010-04-30T17:13:05.847+05:00your contributions would be more valuable if you w...your contributions would be more valuable if you wrote under your real name - that is my point and which is why i never mind anon postings -- as for CPM and XYZ i suppose they can do so because it's their site -- and yes I do happen to know who they are --<br />like i said earlier know it all (you are the one who thinks rahimullah is a bad writer in english -- hahahaha) this is hardly the forum for me to give you or anyone else inside scoops on what goes on at my present or previous workplace. Surely you dont expect editors to discuss 'inside stuff' on a website such as this -- and btw i visit dozens of websites on a daily basis, including many that relate to the journalism -- that doesnt necessarily give them any validity per seOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-75037604615273924682010-04-29T23:19:54.136+05:002010-04-29T23:19:54.136+05:00wow -- so your good impression of my three and a h...wow -- so your good impression of my three and a half years there is going to be irreversibly sullied by my two posts here -- this is hardly the forum for me to discuss any such thing, especially with an interactor who chooses to remain anonymous -- i was not being defensive -- merely clarifying since you (and prob others reading this) clearly did not know that two writers who were caught plagiarising were blacklisted for good <br /><br />-- publishing letters saying that he stole nuclear secrets with no peg would be 'mirch masala' as you say but in the context of him lifting verbatim sections from another website, or helping him doing so, does not constitute 'mirch masala' but fair comment -- since that would be a direct extraplationOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-46614049110064375572010-04-29T21:28:24.417+05:002010-04-29T21:28:24.417+05:00Mr. Quraishi--even though you have not answered my...Mr. Quraishi--even though you have not answered my question (maybe u have nothing to say in response) I will answer yours. I was on a political discussion email list, which included this gentleman (a Lums prof) who, in order to prove his point, cut and paste sentences from wikipedia (no less) and passed them off as his own thinking. What's more is that he did it selectively, omitting what did not suit his argument, but pasting what did. When I read it, it sounded too wikipedia'ish so I logged on and my suspicion was correct!<br /><br />Now, as far as my initial post re AQ goes, it was not even meant as an allegation against you and I don't know why u r being so defensive about it. I know you were oped editor at the time, and also suspect that the decision to keep AQ on as a columnist was probably not yours (was it?) so I wasn't really blaming u for it. As a matter of fact, I thought that on the whole u did a pretty good job at The News and have praised you often for it in discussions I have had with others. But your attitude here is making me think twice about that. Btw, on the AQ issue, I don't think publishing letters about him stealing nuclear weapon plans was called for either (that's just sensationalism and mirch masala instead of addressing the real issue of plagiarism)---I think it would have been best if News could have acted the way VOA did--i.e., apologized to its readers about the plagiarism, esp to the young readers, and announced a severing of the relationship with AQ. What u r calling his apology was more like a list of untenable excuses.know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-87254203862436822232010-04-29T17:42:22.017+05:002010-04-29T17:42:22.017+05:00you caught red-handed!? do tellyou caught red-handed!? do tellOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-74870343066613145972010-04-28T23:23:17.663+05:002010-04-28T23:23:17.663+05:00Mr. Omar Quraishi---I remember reading all those l...Mr. Omar Quraishi---I remember reading all those letters in The News. I don't think I said in my last post that only one letter was published. I was only making reference to the most relevant letter which had exposed AQ red-handed. Yet when I say "no action was taken" I mean that he was not barred from writing opeds. I was quite shocked at that. Printing the letters is one thing---it is good---but something as serious as plagiarism needs to be taken seriously enough so that the relationship with the columnist in question is severed---like VOA severed its relationship with Sardar Khan. I don't know about the other two big name columnists you are referring to, nor would I claim to know more about this than you do. But perhaps you can answer this for me: why the different standards for those two columnists as opposed to AQ?<br /><br />I think plagiarism is a very serious issue in our society. Unfortunately, I have seen even LUMS professors do it---one of whom I caught red-handed. Small wonder then that when our students go abroad, they often don't realize what a serious issue it is!know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-48142005170737254012010-04-28T15:08:45.569+05:002010-04-28T15:08:45.569+05:00know it all said -- dear mr know it all -- i was t...know it all said -- dear mr know it all -- i was the editor of the editorial pages of the news at that time, and apart from reproducing that letter in which the plagiarism was pointed out, many letters were carried, some of which said quite clearly that perhaps the doctor had plagiarised the n-weapon plans as well -- this was all published -- and eventually he apologised and said that he had been misled by someone who had sent him information -- so it's not as if only the one letter was published -- <br /><br />i may also add that two well known (one of them a 'big name') columnists at the news were found plagiarising and both were black listed for good -- so have the facts in hand the next time you make an allegatinOmar R Quraishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571023775558659727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-15327681886812075832010-04-28T04:53:26.075+05:002010-04-28T04:53:26.075+05:00Very informative post. Good work Pyala. VOA defi...Very informative post. Good work Pyala. VOA definitely deserves credit for how they handled the matter and is an ardent lesson for our media, which in spite of many credits, has its own view of ethics.<br /><br />Case in point---A Q Khan, while writing for The News, plagiarised material for one of his articles from the Imperial College website or info given to entering students (I forget which). This was pointed out in a letter by a student from Imperial College, which reproduced the material AQ had plagiarized. But although News published the letter, no action was taken. A Q continues to write opeds for the paper. Go figure!know it allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-10377440272193487852010-04-28T00:08:37.154+05:002010-04-28T00:08:37.154+05:00Sardar Khan met his fate rather late. He should ha...Sardar Khan met his fate rather late. He should have been exposed a long time ago. One, because he is no journalist, in fact far from it, an unscrupulous showroom owner and publicity seeker who forever aspires to be a kingmaker of sorts.<br /><br />And secondly because he invariably tries to slight respectable officials, players in public in a bid to go one up on everyone. All he ends up doing is bring the profession into disrepute.<br />He has finally met his Waterloo, thank God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-4173787427082982882010-04-27T15:41:45.313+05:002010-04-27T15:41:45.313+05:00Excellent post, Pyala. Media organisations certai...Excellent post, Pyala. Media organisations certainly need to take measures, but I feel that at the end of the day, it's the journalist's ethical and moral sense that plays the decisive role.Sa'adianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-20593563108494275392010-04-27T10:39:05.418+05:002010-04-27T10:39:05.418+05:00^ Yes absolutely.
And Pyalas, I would make a list...^ Yes absolutely.<br /><br />And Pyalas, I would make a list of lessons for those people who have borne the brunt of BS from the media (Hamid Mir, Ansar Abbasi etc etc):<br /><br />1. Name and shame, call these buggers out, and ask their editors to reproduce recordings of "interviews" they claim to have done.<br /><br />2. Uh, that's it.Ahsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662937883149553514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1110720279777344316.post-65734556993094480052010-04-27T06:36:56.230+05:002010-04-27T06:36:56.230+05:00You really have to give credit to VOA team. With t...You really have to give credit to VOA team. With the possible exception of Dawn, I doubt any Pakistani newspaper would issue such a retraction. <br /><br />The Jang group, for instance, would probably continue to spread lies, just because it gets them higher ratings/readership.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05766627366952786032noreply@blogger.com