Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Was Ansar Abbasi Spotted at Kinnaird College?

A notice posted on a door in the all-women Kinnaird College Lahore (via @BushraS on Twitpic):

Um...I don't think I will actually translate this.


Model Girl said...

LOL! Yup, very much so.

Anonymous said...

That's not fair..For an Indian who doesn't know Urdu..someone pls take the initiative!!!

Bea said...

LOL i liked this one..

Anonymous said...

why didn't they take this misogynistic hatred down??

one would have hoped the gals at kinniard would have that much selfrespect to stand up for their gender.

Anonymous said...

Someone, please translate.

¤°þ®êtêñdê®°¤ said...

I will not appreciate the way you made fun of it.

Anonymous said...

pls translate it for us cpyala..

Anonymous said...

such a shame
how low will you get? making fun Hadith ...
they might not have the exact Hadith there but are just trying to convey the meaning

@9:04 PM
stand up for their rights?
yes stand up against Allah, Stand up againt Quran

do you remember what Quran says ?

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.� (Qur�an, 24.31) ?

33.33. And (prefer to) remain in your homes (unless there is a need. If you do go out for a need,) do not go out flaunting your charms as (women used to do) in the former times of Ignorance

Anonymous said...


The mullah brigade and ISI is now in full command of Cafe Pyala...

Mamu said...

@ Anon 12:15

LOL! Well said. They have now decided to embed themselves here.

ISI-Mullah allaince trying to see hijack Pyala?

Anonymous said...

Am I going to hell because I laugh every time a Quranic verse or Hadith uses the word "Bosoms"?


(See, it happened again!)


Murder of History said...
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Abysmal said...

Hey somebody did try to rip that thing off the wall .. it's torn through the center.

@Anon 12:51 AM

Dude .... Let us munafiqs live in peace... and your quotations just go on to prove the point of this post

Anonymous said...

Dear Retards,
I am writing to you on behalf of the ISI. Since you nutjobs have been taking way too many drugs you may have missed out on how busy we've been over the past 3-4 years with some important shit. We don't have the time to take over blogs and other such stupid shit.

On the whole hadith thing. Listen if it's in the quran i recommend you follow it. factions are still fighting about the reliability of a lot of hadiths out there. follow the book kids. oh and another thing, the quran also tells men to lower their gaze. and it doesnt stop women from doing anything.

Sheraz said...

For God sake... please spare Quran and Hadith in ur pursuit of so called MODERATION..

Marvi Sirmed said...

Hay bhagwan! Mein tau gai. . . . I have never done it for my husband. . . .husband ke saamnay tau ser mein tail daal ker PJs mein hi aati hoon. . . . I dress up and wear make-up when I go out. .. normally with men and women who are not my husbands. . . o gosh. . . now what?

Anonymous said...

According to Imam Abu Hanifa, there is no punishment for gays! But women should stay at home.

Asghar said...
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Asghar said...

Shame on you blog admin for removing my post. Very well it seems that you aren't tolerant towards criticism of your own religion and prophet. Grow up
I'll just provide a link below that sums up how the Hadith cast a dark shadow on woman.


Asghar said...

Translation of first part is below

"A woman is like a private part. When she goes out the devil casts a glance at her" Al-Hadis, trans. Al-Haj Maulana Fazlul Karim, vol. 2, p. 692, from Mishkat al-Masabih, by Waliuddin Abu Abdullah Mahmud Tabrizi

XYZ said...

Dear All,

Although I understand that it is inherently difficult to conduct a debate about religion or about its details (specifically the reliability of certain alleged hadees) without in one way or the other offending someone (recently religious scholar Ghamdi questioned the reliability of a particular hadees regarding the punishment for blasphemy much to the annoyance of Mufti Muneeb who was quoting it), I really do not think deliberately using provocative words is helpful, which is why the comment such as the previous one has been deleted.

On the other hand, for people like Anon1251 to admit that "they might not have the exact Hadith there" while apologistically supporting it is also ridiculous since the whole point is apparently so that these are not distorted. In any case, I see a scriptural debate (which is what the comments sometimes become) as pointless here.

In case things do continue in the same vein, we may need to close off the comments for this post.

Aamir Mughal said...

Dear Friends,

Its an old trick to get popularity in Pakistan by exploiting the Holy Name of Islam in which Mr Ansar Abbasi is indulged to show the world that Ansar Abbasi is ACTUALLY A SAINT IN THE GUISE OF A JOURNALIST. The same Jang Group of Newspapers/GEO TV and The News International violate Quranic and Hadith commandments on daily basis e.g. in Sunday Magazine pictures of Unveiled Women are published on regular basis [where is the Shairah of Ansar Abbasi] why don't Ansar Abbasi file news against the Female Journalists working in the News International/GEO TV/Jang Group of Newspaper without observing a proper veil.

Showing Off your piety is the most detested act in Islam and Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] declared it a Kind of Shirk Polytheism.

One wonders as to where had gone the so-called Shariah which Ansar Abbasi was trying to defend while defending Sufi Muhammad, Flogging and Taliban while reciting Quranic Verses of Surah-e-Nur[AL-NOOR (THE LIGHT) Chapter 24 from Quran] as if there is only Flogging in Quran particularly in Surah-e-Nur[AL-NOOR (THE LIGHT) Chapter 24 from Quran] and what a fun Ansar Abbasi was reciting Surah Nur Verses to an Unveiled [BAYPARDAH] GEOTV News READER [I wonder where have gone all the verses of Quran regarding Veil in the same Chapter 24 of Quran and some part of the same Chapter 24 was recited by Ansar Abbasi to exploit the issue]..

Talibani and Pro Jamat-e-Islami Journalist - Ansar Abbasi of GEO TV/THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL/JANG Group defending the flogging in a worse possible way in the guise of Quranic Verse of Chapter 24 - AL-NOOR (THE LIGHT) as if there is only flogging in Quran whereas the same newspaper and its TV Channel [GEO TV/THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL/JANG Group] violate every verse of Quran in their every news report and we haven't seen Ansar Abbasi objecting on these violations.

Amir said...

Cafe Pyala, most of your readers have been missing the point of your recent posts. I guess you should either make your intentions very clear or refrain from posting on topics that may come across as personal attacks (Read: the Taseer family post) or can encourage ridiculously venomous and blasphemous comments (Read: the current and last posts).

Asghar said...

I agree with XYZ (wished I could address you with a real name) that this might not be a suitable venue to hold a relegious debate.
However, I want to clarify two points objectively and then mention why I got infuriated. So bear with me XYZ and I sincerely hope you don't delete my post(s) again.

1. The Hadith Shown in the cafepyala post purportedly in Kinnaird College Lahore is a "valid" Hadith.(Though I would like to see evidence that it was really at Kinnaird) (By Valid it means that it comes from sources like the Sahih Bukhari and Mishkat al-Masabih) That Hadith is a word by word translation by Waliuddin Abu Abdullah Mahmud Tabrizi and found in vol. 2, p. 692, from Mishkat al-Masabih.

This is a Valid Hadith.

Asghar said...

Before I go to my second point I have a strong feeling that Amir Mughal above is trying to change the subject. XYZ I understood the intent of your Post completely but I will make clear the reason of my infuriation shortly.
The Second point is that, the Hadith in general treat women as carnal subjects. Let me be more specific lest I offend someone's tender feelings again. One can't help but notice the overwhelming perversity and over objectification of the female gender. Lets go to Sahih Bukhari directly. (Sahih Bukhari is the most authentic and accepted version of collection of Hadith since scholars consider it to have the best Isnad or lineage of references).

A cursory search on http://www.sahih-bukhari.com

for the word "women" would lead you to authentic sets of Hadith which would confirm my point. I urge readers to take the time and do so.

Anonymous said...

It is a very common tactic used by modernists to try to dispute the authenticity of every Hadith which does not suit their agenda
you deliberately posted this image which is merely like someone having a casual poster in their room, they are not writing a book, or publishing something literary they are not claiming to be scholor and sheikh of Hadith, it is just a layman who is trying to get his point through, may be it it was something being done by someone like Mufti Munneb or Muftt Taqi etc than you could raise a question that they are trying to distort Islam but here your argument does not hold

you need to look at the essence of the message which the person was trying to pass which is simply that Islam asks women to be Modest and to cover themselves
and that is why I quoted Quran

and after the Verses 24.31 and 33:33 does their remain any doubt in your mind that Quran/Islam DOES ask women to be modest and cover-themselves ?

Asghar said...

And now I come to the reason that usually shorts my fuse.
Ansar Abbasi being a d*ck head is pretty much predictable on what he would say on a given set of points, subjects, circumstances etc. etc.

(XYZ please do correct me here if I misunderstood your post)

Now when you posted that Hadith and then linked it with Ansar Abbasi, you tacitly gave the impression that people who carry the metal barriers like those of Ansar tend to interpret religion (be it Quran or Sunnah/Hadith) in a narrow, shallow self-serving and simply put wrong way.

And that's where I have my beef with you. It's not the misguided misinterpretation that I think you were pointing at, (Please correct me here If that's the case) but it's the source itself.

You seem to surgically analyse (and do hell of a good job on this)multiple facets of our Paistani Society but somehow tend to become Sir Humphry Appleby when it comes to speaking the bare naked truth about what Islam is at it's core.

Anonymous said...


So essentially you would like the people behind Cafe Pyala to censor themselves for the sake of people who might not agree with their views? So there is never a point or a purpose to a platform for a frank and healthy exchange of differing views, which is what Cafe Pyala at its best provides.

As for Pyala at its worst, I gotta say that is probably the nature of some of the comments certain posts solicit.

I didn't see the 'Taseer family post' as a personal attack by the way. I saw it as making very valid points about bad PR decision making. Where venemous and blasphemous comments are concerned, I think pyalas exercise fair and good judgment when it comes to moderating them and delete ones that cross the line. Personally, I'm happy that people are talking about religion here. I think its a much better idea that one way rivers of rubbish like the ones Ansar Abbasi keeps spitting our way.

Asghar, I am interested in knowing what you think one should do when a hadith is considered 'valid' but is clearly not the right way to look at the world. Women are not body parts. The Quran emphasizes that. So why should people follow hadith that reduce them to nothing but?

TLW said...

Dear All:

What the fuck?

The urdu poster is in annoyingly florid Urdu and I couldn't get beyond translating the phrase Ahadessay Mubaraka and that made me go ewww.

Pretentious wording in any language makes me sick and that Urdu door poster is no exception. XYZ, if you're not going to translate for the ABCD's, then don't post things like these.

Beyond that, I find the pseudo-threats utterly, utterly hateful and throughout this post disgusting.

A hyperlink would've been helpful in finding the original intent so I found the original tweet and the picture page.

The only person who matters in all this is Ms Bushra say, who originally found this gem of religious crypto-misogyny, and she said in her tweet:

What has this college come to?

A: Whatever the rest of Lahore and Pakistan have come to by publicly abusing religion as a source of debate. You're wearing a hijab Ms Bushra. You're giving in to the fundamentalist worldview.

Asghar said...

Having said that I would now really request that we should come out of this charade that the fruits of Islam have been hidden from us because a reformist enligtened and modern interpretation has been lacking. We will never have a renaissance of our own until people with logical processing brown matter like your self, XYZ, start to address the dark reality and basis of Islam.

TLW said...

Here is Ms BushraS's reply:

"From what i hear, the college is being increasingly filled with staunch followers of Wahabi faith."

Couldn't someone else have googled this stuff? Sheesh.

Why No! It'ld involve doing something! And we Pakistanis can't muddy our hands actually doing anything. Then how will we get to complain and accuse everyone else? No, better to seat behind our keyboards and throw out cryptic accusations about other people being bad Muslims.

Fuck. This. Whole. Shit.


/End Rant

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